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Best Bundt Cake Pans for Buyers Checking the Diameter

The deciding specification is which figure on the listing is the pan's diameter, because one of these five publishes it four times and agrees every time, one publishes three figures everywhere and then files two of them in the wrong slots, one has its row and a bullet against its own fields, one has fields that exceed its row on both axes, and one has a row that contradicts its own title.

By the Lush Editorial Team·Researched & Compared

  • Researched & ComparedSpecs pulled from the manufacturer listing
  • Like-for-LikeSame measures across every model
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I took the one figure a bundt pan is bought on, its diameter, and traced it through the size entry, the title, the bullets and the dimension fields of each of these five listings, using only the text each maker published.

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Same Numbers. A Clearer Choice.
Best for two carbon steel pans in one purchase
Novery 2PCS 9.5" Non-Stick Carbon Steel Fluted Tube ...

Novery 2PCS 9.5" Non-Stick Carbon Steel Fluted Tube ...

The only listing on this page that labels its axes and the only one where all four sources agree. The entry gives 9.5 inches as the width and the length and 3 inches as the height, which also tells you the pan is round without saying the word. The title carries the 9.5, the width, depth and height fields read 9.5, 9.5 and 3.0, and the first bullet repeats the lot. That bullet then adds something nothing else here publishes: a 9 inch inner diameter alongside the 9.5 inch outer one, which on a fluted tube pan is the wall and the rim separated out, and it is the only place in this pool where a maker distinguishes them. Two carbon steel pans arrive at 2.43 lb for the pair, with a non-stick scratch resistant coating, a narrow base, straight sides and an extra large center tube. No temperature figure, no capacity and no washing route is published.

  • 9.5 inches (W x L) x 3 inches (H)
  • 2.43 lb
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Best for a large format pound cake
Boxiki Kitchen Ceramic Fluted Cake Pan

Boxiki Kitchen Ceramic Fluted Cake Pan

Three agreeing sources on the figures and a disagreement about which axis is which. It publishes 12 by 10 by 3 inches in the entry, in the title and in its fourth bullet, and its dimension fields carry those same three numbers with the 12 in the height slot and the 3 in the depth slot, which for a fluted tube pan is upside down since 3 inches is a depth and 12 is a span. That same bullet also narrows the claim, calling 12 by 10 by 3 a cavity rather than the pan, so the outside is larger by an amount the listing never gives. It is otherwise the best documented pick here on materials and heat: 0.6mm aluminized steel described against a 0.4mm standard, a Korean ceramic coating, PTFE, PFOA and PFAS all ruled out, 550 F restated as 288 C which is the exact conversion, a quick rinse for cleaning, and a serving range of 12 to 16 people. No weight is published.

  • 12x10x3
  • (not listed)
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Best for a ceramic coating with no forever chemicals
Caraway Non-Stick Fluted Cake Pan

Caraway Non-Stick Fluted Cake Pan

Its row says 9.5 inches and its first bullet calls the product a 9.5 inch fluted cake pan, so the maker's own words back the row twice, while its width and depth fields read 10.7 inches. This page uses the 9.5 because two of the listing's own statements give it, and the second bullet suggests where the 10.7 comes from: an extended ergonomic rim for flipping and plating, which would reach past the baking surface. The listing never says that is what the field measures, so the gap is explained and not resolved. On everything else it is the most careful listing here. Cast aluminum with a proprietary ceramic coating, oven safe up to 550 F, and PTFE, PFOA, PFAS, lead and cadmium all named and ruled out. Its fifth bullet gives real instructions: preheat before adding the pan, never heat it empty, flour or oil per the recipe, cool fully, hand wash in warm soapy water, and not dishwasher safe. 3.66 lb, the heaviest figure here, for one pan.

  • 9.5 inches
  • 3.66 lb
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Best for two stainless pans with a conical tube
TeamFar 10inch Angel Food Cake Pan

TeamFar 10inch Angel Food Cake Pan

Three statements of one pair and fields that exceed both of them. The entry gives 10 inches by 4 inches, the title carries the 10, and the fourth bullet states 10 inches by 4 inches deep for a set of two, while the fields read 4.7, 10.6 and 10.6 inches with the larger figure appearing twice. The maker's own sentences are the ones this page uses. That same bullet publishes the only capacity figure on this page, about 16 cups per pan, which on an angel food pan with a conical center tube and slanted sides is the figure that decides whether a recipe fits. Pure stainless steel with no coating at all, which means nothing to flake, one piece construction stated to have no seam for batter to leak through, mirror polished inside and out, smooth rolled edges, and cleared for both a dishwasher and a hand wash. Two pans at 1.55 lb for the pair, with no temperature figure published.

  • 10 inches by 4 inches
  • 1.55 lb
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Best for a simple fluted tube pan
Titanium Wave Non-Stick Fluted Tube Cake Pan

Titanium Wave Non-Stick Fluted Tube Cake Pan

The only listing here that contradicts its own title on the size, and the only one that publishes no measurement in any of its own sentences. Its entry reads 10 Inches, its title ends with 9.5 inches, and its dimension fields read 10.0, 10.0 and 3.0, so two sources give one diameter and one gives the other with no bullet to break the tie. On a bundt pan half an inch of diameter decides whether a recipe fits, so that is not a small gap. The second problem is larger. Its title sells a non-stick fluted tube cake pan while its bullets describe a cake skillet, an all purpose cast iron pan and a smooth seasoned surface, which is a different material and a different shape of cookware. Its 1.0 lb weight field, the lightest here, argues against the bullets, since a 10 inch cast iron pan is not a one pound object. No temperature, no capacity and no coating chemistry is published.

  • 10 Inches
  • 1 lb
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Side by Side Comparison

ModelBrandSize (Capacity)WeightBest For
Novery 2PCS 9.5" Non-Stick Carbon Steel Fluted Tube ... Novery 9.5 inches (W x L) x 3 inches (H) 2.43 lb Best for two carbon steel pans in one purchase
Boxiki Kitchen Ceramic Fluted Cake Pan Boxiki Kitchen 12x10x3 Not listed Best for a large format pound cake
Caraway Non-Stick Fluted Cake Pan Caraway 9.5 inches 3.66 lb Best for a ceramic coating with no forever chemicals
TeamFar 10inch Angel Food Cake Pan TeamFar 10 inches by 4 inches 1.55 lb Best for two stainless pans with a conical tube
Titanium Wave Non-Stick Fluted Tube Cake Pan Titanium Wave 10 Inches 1 lb Best for a simple fluted tube pan

Each Pick in Detail

1 Best for two carbon steel pans in one purchase
Novery 2PCS 9.5" Non-Stick Carbon Steel Fluted Tube ...

Novery 2PCS 9.5" Non-Stick Carbon Steel Fluted Tube ...

The only listing on this page that labels its axes and the only one where all four sources agree. The entry gives 9.5 inches as the width and the length and 3 inches as the height, which also tells you the pan is round without saying the word. The title carries the 9.5, the width, depth and height fields read 9.5, 9.5 and 3.0, and the first bullet repeats the lot. That bullet then adds something nothing else here publishes: a 9 inch inner diameter alongside the 9.5 inch outer one, which on a fluted tube pan is the wall and the rim separated out, and it is the only place in this pool where a maker distinguishes them. Two carbon steel pans arrive at 2.43 lb for the pair, with a non-stick scratch resistant coating, a narrow base, straight sides and an extra large center tube. No temperature figure, no capacity and no washing route is published.

  • The only entry here that labels all three axes
  • The row, the title, a bullet and all three fields agree
  • An inner diameter is published, 9 inches, alongside the 9.5 inch outer one
  • No temperature figure is published, only that it withstands high temperatures
  • No capacity is published in cups or any other unit
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2 Best for a large format pound cake
Boxiki Kitchen Ceramic Fluted Cake Pan

Boxiki Kitchen Ceramic Fluted Cake Pan

Three agreeing sources on the figures and a disagreement about which axis is which. It publishes 12 by 10 by 3 inches in the entry, in the title and in its fourth bullet, and its dimension fields carry those same three numbers with the 12 in the height slot and the 3 in the depth slot, which for a fluted tube pan is upside down since 3 inches is a depth and 12 is a span. That same bullet also narrows the claim, calling 12 by 10 by 3 a cavity rather than the pan, so the outside is larger by an amount the listing never gives. It is otherwise the best documented pick here on materials and heat: 0.6mm aluminized steel described against a 0.4mm standard, a Korean ceramic coating, PTFE, PFOA and PFAS all ruled out, 550 F restated as 288 C which is the exact conversion, a quick rinse for cleaning, and a serving range of 12 to 16 people. No weight is published.

  • The figures appear in the entry, the title and a bullet and all three agree
  • A temperature ceiling is published and converted, 550 F and 288 C
  • The steel thickness is published, 0.6mm aluminized steel
  • The fields file the 12 as a height and the 3 as a depth
  • Its own bullet calls the published figures a cavity, not the pan
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3 Best for a ceramic coating with no forever chemicals
Caraway Non-Stick Fluted Cake Pan

Caraway Non-Stick Fluted Cake Pan

Its row says 9.5 inches and its first bullet calls the product a 9.5 inch fluted cake pan, so the maker's own words back the row twice, while its width and depth fields read 10.7 inches. This page uses the 9.5 because two of the listing's own statements give it, and the second bullet suggests where the 10.7 comes from: an extended ergonomic rim for flipping and plating, which would reach past the baking surface. The listing never says that is what the field measures, so the gap is explained and not resolved. On everything else it is the most careful listing here. Cast aluminum with a proprietary ceramic coating, oven safe up to 550 F, and PTFE, PFOA, PFAS, lead and cadmium all named and ruled out. Its fifth bullet gives real instructions: preheat before adding the pan, never heat it empty, flour or oil per the recipe, cool fully, hand wash in warm soapy water, and not dishwasher safe. 3.66 lb, the heaviest figure here, for one pan.

  • The row and the first bullet both give 9.5 inches, so the maker backs its own figure
  • An extended ergonomic rim is named, which explains the larger field
  • A temperature ceiling is published, 550 F
  • The width and depth fields read 10.7 inches against the row's 9.5
  • No height is published in the maker's own words
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4 Best for two stainless pans with a conical tube
TeamFar 10inch Angel Food Cake Pan

TeamFar 10inch Angel Food Cake Pan

Three statements of one pair and fields that exceed both of them. The entry gives 10 inches by 4 inches, the title carries the 10, and the fourth bullet states 10 inches by 4 inches deep for a set of two, while the fields read 4.7, 10.6 and 10.6 inches with the larger figure appearing twice. The maker's own sentences are the ones this page uses. That same bullet publishes the only capacity figure on this page, about 16 cups per pan, which on an angel food pan with a conical center tube and slanted sides is the figure that decides whether a recipe fits. Pure stainless steel with no coating at all, which means nothing to flake, one piece construction stated to have no seam for batter to leak through, mirror polished inside and out, smooth rolled edges, and cleared for both a dishwasher and a hand wash. Two pans at 1.55 lb for the pair, with no temperature figure published.

  • The row, the title and a bullet all give the same pair, 10 inches by 4
  • The only capacity on this page, about 16 cups a pan
  • Pure stainless steel with no coating, so nothing can flake
  • The fields read 4.7, 10.6 and 10.6, exceeding both published figures
  • The 10.6 figure appears twice in three fields
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5 Best for a simple fluted tube pan
Titanium Wave Non-Stick Fluted Tube Cake Pan

Titanium Wave Non-Stick Fluted Tube Cake Pan

The only listing here that contradicts its own title on the size, and the only one that publishes no measurement in any of its own sentences. Its entry reads 10 Inches, its title ends with 9.5 inches, and its dimension fields read 10.0, 10.0 and 3.0, so two sources give one diameter and one gives the other with no bullet to break the tie. On a bundt pan half an inch of diameter decides whether a recipe fits, so that is not a small gap. The second problem is larger. Its title sells a non-stick fluted tube cake pan while its bullets describe a cake skillet, an all purpose cast iron pan and a smooth seasoned surface, which is a different material and a different shape of cookware. Its 1.0 lb weight field, the lightest here, argues against the bullets, since a 10 inch cast iron pan is not a one pound object. No temperature, no capacity and no coating chemistry is published.

  • All three dimension fields are filled, at 10.0, 10.0 and 3.0 inches
  • A weight is published for a single pan, 1.0 lb
  • A wipe clean instruction is given
  • The row says 10 Inches and the title says 9.5 inches
  • No bullet publishes a measurement, so nothing breaks the tie
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Our Verdict

Novery writes 9.5 inches with the axes labeled, and its title, a bullet and all three fields agree. Boxiki Kitchen writes 12 by 10 by 3 three times over and its fields reorder it. Caraway writes 9.5 inches and its own bullet repeats it, while its fields read 10.7. TeamFar writes 10 inches by 4 against fields of 10.6 and 4.7. Titanium Wave writes 10 Inches against a title that ends with 9.5 inches.

“One figure, four places to publish it, three mismatches.”

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What Separates These Five

One size, stated four times over Novery gives 9.5 inches across and 3 high in its entry with the axes labeled, and its title, a bullet and all three fields repeat it.
An inner diameter nobody else gives Novery's first bullet publishes a 9 inch inner diameter beside the 9.5 inch outer one. No other listing here separates the two.
The right figures in the wrong slots Boxiki publishes 12 by 10 by 3 inches three times. Its fields put the 12 in the height slot and the 3 in the depth slot.
A rim that explains a bigger field Caraway's row and bullet both say 9.5 inches while its fields say 10.7. A second bullet names an extended rim for flipping.
A row against its own title Titanium Wave writes 10 Inches in the row and 9.5 inches at the end of its title. Its fields read 10.0 and no bullet decides it.

How We Chose

A size figure in the entry
Axes labeled in that entry
The entry, the title and the fields all agree
A size repeated in a bullet
A weight published
A temperature figure published

Frequently Asked Questions

Which of these agrees with itself about its size?+

Novery, and only Novery. Its entry gives 9.5 inches as the width and the length and 3 inches as the height, its title carries the 9.5, its dimension fields read 9.5, 9.5 and 3.0, and its first bullet repeats all three figures. Four sources, one measurement. It is also the only listing here that labels the axes, which on a round pan doubles as a statement that it is round.

Is the Titanium Wave pan 10 inches or 9.5?+

Its own listing says both. The size row reads 10 Inches and the title ends with 9.5 inches, and the dimension fields read 10.0 twice, which sides with the row. No bullet publishes a measurement at all, so nothing on the listing breaks the tie. On a bundt pan that half inch decides whether a recipe fits, so this page reports both figures rather than choosing one.

Why do the Caraway fields read 10.7 inches?+

Nothing says outright, but the listing points at an answer. Its row gives 9.5 inches and its first bullet calls the product a 9.5 inch fluted cake pan, so the pan is 9.5. Its second bullet names an extended ergonomic rim for flipping and plating, and a rim reaching past the baking surface would put the outside span above the pan figure. The listing never states that the 10.7 is the rim, so that reading is an inference.

What does 12 by 10 by 3 inches measure on the Boxiki pan?+

The cavity, which its fourth bullet says in those words. So those three figures are the inside of the pan and the outside is larger by an amount the listing never publishes. Its dimension fields carry the same three numbers with the 12 filed as a height and the 3 as a depth, which is reversed for a pan of this shape, where 3 inches is the depth and 12 inches a span across.

Do any of these publish a capacity?+

One of the five in a usable unit. TeamFar states about 16 cups per pan in its fourth bullet, on a two pan set. Boxiki publishes a serving range of 12 to 16 people instead, which is a different kind of claim and not a volume. Novery, Caraway and Titanium Wave publish no capacity at all, in cups, quarts or anything else, which leaves the diameter and the depth doing the whole job.

How much do these weigh?+

Four of the five publish a figure and only two of those cover a single pan. Caraway is 3.66 lb for one pan and Titanium Wave is 1.0 lb for one. Novery's 2.43 lb covers two pans and TeamFar's 1.55 lb covers two, so neither is a per pan figure. Boxiki publishes no weight at all. That makes Caraway the heaviest single pan here and Titanium Wave the lightest.

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How the Five Compare on the Numbers

A bundt pan is bought on one figure, the diameter, and each of these five listings has four places to publish it: the size entry, the title, the bullets and the dimension fields. One of the five agrees with itself in all four. One publishes the same three figures in all three places and then puts two of them in the wrong field. The other three contradict themselves outright.

Four of the five repeat a diameter in a bullet, which is what makes the disagreements resolvable at all, because the house rule here is that the maker’s own sentence beats the field. Four publish a weight, two of which cover two pans rather than one. Two publish a temperature and both of those give the same figure.

Specification Novery Boxiki Kitchen Caraway TeamFar Titanium Wave
What the size entry holds 9.5 inches W by L, 3 inches H 12x10x3 9.5 inches 10 inches by 4 inches 10 Inches
Axes labeled in that entry Yes, all three No No No No
Size in the title 9.5 inches 12 by 10 by 3 inches not published 10 inches 9.5 inches
Size in a bullet 9.5 inch outer, 9 inch inner, 3 inch height A 12 by 10 by 3 inch cavity A 9.5 inch pan 10 inches by 4 inches deep not published
Width field 9.5 inches 10.0 inches 10.7 inches 4.7 inches 10.0 inches
Depth field 9.5 inches 3.0 inches 10.7 inches 10.6 inches 10.0 inches
Height field 3.0 inches 12.0 inches 4.35 inches 10.6 inches 3.0 inches
Do the four sources agree Yes, all four The figures do, the order does not No, the row and a bullet against the fields No, the fields exceed the row on both axes No, the row and the fields against the title
Is the published figure the pan or the cavity The pan, outer and inner The cavity, per its own bullet The pan The pan Not stated
Capacity published not published Serves 12 to 16 people not published About 16 cups a pan not published
Weight field 2.43 lb for two not published 3.66 lb 1.55 lb for two 1.0 lb
Temperature published not published Up to 550 F, restated as 288 C Up to 550 F not published not published
Material named Carbon steel with a non-stick coating Aluminized steel at 0.6mm, ceramic coated Cast aluminum, ceramic coated Pure stainless steel, uncoated Cast iron in a bullet, non-stick in the title
Coating chemicals ruled out not published PTFE, PFOA and PFAS PTFE, PFOA, PFAS, lead and cadmium No coating at all not published
Washing route named not published A quick rinse Hand wash in warm soapy water, not dishwasher safe Dishwasher safe or hand wash Wipe clean
Pans in one purchase Two One One Two One

What the table does tell you, across two listings that share nothing, is that 550 F is a real number here. Caraway and Boxiki Kitchen both publish it as their oven ceiling, Boxiki restating it as 288 C which is the exact conversion, and both are ceramic coated. Two sellers arriving at one figure independently is better evidence than either one alone.

When Every Source Agrees

Four Statements of One Size, and an Inner Diameter

Novery is the only listing here that labels its axes, writing 9.5 inches as the width and the length and 3 inches as the height, which also tells a reader the pan is round without saying so. Its title carries the 9.5, its fields read 9.5, 9.5 and 3.0, and its first bullet repeats all of it.

That bullet then adds a figure nothing else on this page publishes: a 9 inch inner diameter alongside the 9.5 inch outer one. On a fluted tube pan the difference between those two is the wall and the rim, and it is the only place in this pool where a maker separates them. Two carbon steel pans at 2.43 lb, with a non-stick scratch resistant coating and no temperature figure.

The Same Three Figures in Two Different Orders

Boxiki Kitchen publishes 12 by 10 by 3 inches in its size entry, in its title and in its fourth bullet, which is three agreeing sources. Its dimension fields carry those same three numbers and put the 12 in the height slot and the 3 in the depth slot. For a fluted tube pan that is upside down, since 3 inches is a pan depth and 12 inches is a span.

The bullet also narrows what the figures describe, calling 12 by 10 by 3 a cavity rather than the pan, so the outside is larger by an unstated amount. It publishes 550 F restated as 288 C, 0.6mm aluminized steel with a Korean ceramic coating, PTFE, PFOA and PFAS all ruled out, and a serving range of 12 to 16 people. No weight is published.

When the Row and the Fields Part Company

A Rim That Explains the Gap

Caraway writes 9.5 inches and its first bullet calls the product a 9.5 inch fluted cake pan, so the maker’s own words back its row twice. Its width and depth fields read 10.7 inches, which this page does not use as the pan size because two of the listing’s own statements say otherwise.

Its second bullet offers the likeliest reason, naming an extended ergonomic rim for flipping and plating. A rim that reaches past the baking surface would make a 10.7 inch outside span on a 9.5 inch pan entirely ordinary, and the listing never says that is what the field measures. At 3.66 lb it publishes the heaviest figure here, and it is one of only two weights on this page covering a single pan.

A Pair the Fields Both Exceed

TeamFar writes 10 inches by 4 inches, its title carries the 10, and its fourth bullet states 10 inches by 4 inches deep for a set of two. Three statements, one pair of figures. Its fields then read 4.7, 10.6 and 10.6 inches, so both of the published figures are exceeded and the 10.6 appears twice over.

It is the only pick here publishing a capacity, about 16 cups per pan, which on an angel food pan with a conical center tube and slanted sides is the figure that actually matters. Pure stainless steel with no coating at all, one piece construction with no seam to leak batter, mirror polished, dishwasher safe or hand washed. Two pans at 1.55 lb.

When the Row Argues With the Title

A Row and a Title That Name Two Diameters

Titanium Wave writes 10 Inches in its size entry and its own title ends with 9.5 inches. Its dimension fields read 10.0, 10.0 and 3.0, so two of its sources say one figure and one says the other, and no bullet repeats either. It is the only one of these five that publishes no measurement anywhere in its own sentences.

That leaves a buyer choosing between a row and a title on a product where half an inch of diameter decides whether a recipe fits. The 1.0 lb weight field is the lightest figure here and it covers one pan. No temperature figure, no capacity, no coating chemistry and no inner diameter is published anywhere on the listing.

Bullets That Describe a Different Pan

The same listing has a second problem, and it is larger than the half inch. Its title sells a non-stick fluted tube cake pan. Its bullets describe a cake skillet, an all purpose cast iron pan and a smooth seasoned surface, which is a different material, a different coating approach and a different shape of cookware.

The 1.0 lb weight field argues against the bullets rather than for them, because a 10 inch cast iron pan is not a one pound object. So the most likely reading is that the bullets belong to another product and the title and the row describe this one, which is a judgment and not something the listing states. This page quotes no material claim from it for that reason.

Which One Fits Your Kitchen

Two carbon steel pans in one purchase. Novery. The only entry here with labeled axes, at 9.5 inches across and 3 inches high, confirmed by the title, a bullet and all three fields, with a 9 inch inner diameter as well. Two pans at 2.43 lb, non-stick and scratch resistant.

A large format pound cake. Boxiki Kitchen. A 12 by 10 by 3 inch cavity stated in the entry, the title and a bullet, serving 12 to 16 people. 0.6mm aluminized steel with a Korean ceramic coating, 550 F or 288 C, PTFE, PFOA and PFAS ruled out. No weight is published.

A ceramic coating with no forever chemicals. Caraway. A 9.5 inch pan in its row and its own bullet, with an extended ergonomic rim for flipping. Cast aluminum with a ceramic coating, oven safe to 550 F, PTFE, PFOA, PFAS, lead and cadmium all ruled out, hand wash only, 3.66 lb.

Two stainless pans with a conical tube. TeamFar. 10 inches by 4 inches deep, stated three times, holding about 16 cups a pan. Pure stainless steel with no coating, one piece with no seam to leak, mirror polished, dishwasher safe. Two pans at 1.55 lb, with fields that read higher.

A simple fluted tube pan. Titanium Wave. 10 Inches in the row against 9.5 inches in the title, with fields of 10.0, 10.0 and 3.0 siding with the row. The lightest weight here at 1.0 lb for one pan. Its bullets describe a cast iron skillet rather than this pan.

What We Could Not Verify

Everything above is read off each maker’s own listing text. These are the things those listings leave open, and this page does not fill them in.

  • Whether the Titanium Wave pan is 10 inches or 9.5, since its row and its fields give one figure and its own title gives the other.
  • What the Titanium Wave pan is made of, because its title says non-stick and its bullets say cast iron with a seasoned surface.
  • Whether the Caraway 10.7 inch fields measure the extended rim its own bullet describes, which the listing never states.
  • The outside dimensions of the Boxiki pan, since its own bullet calls the published 12 by 10 by 3 inches a cavity.
  • Why the TeamFar fields read 4.7 and 10.6 inches where the row, the title and a bullet all give 10 inches by 4.
  • A capacity in cups for Novery, Caraway or Titanium Wave, none of which publishes one in any unit.